Monday, June 20, 2005

WI - Founding the fellowship

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No worker tryed to hide the fact that it was workers who left the British Isle in the early days, aka the turn of the century.


Your repeated mention of this indicates to me you are under some misunderstanding. "...the fact that it was workers who left the British Isle in the early days, aka the turn of the century" is not a fact that has been covered up. None of us have even claimed it was covered up, as far as I know. Therefore it is not unusual that workers preached about it at your convention. They have done it occasionally here in the US as well.


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No WI wasnt mentioned nor the faith mission, simply because we do NOT belive that he did found it, it was founded in heaven.


You are speaking of a different "it" than I am. We cannot carry on a meaningful conversation if we don't both speak of the same topic. So it looks like I need to clarify my topic. My topic is the physical group/church commonly known as the friends and workers (F&W, abbreviated). It is a fact of history that William Irvine led other early workers in founding this group about 1897, and that this group did not exist before that -- did not exist from the first century to 1897. This historical fact is what has been covered up. This is the reason for mentioning William Irvine.


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So why mention Irvine? when we are following Jesus and the New Testement


You won't get by using that century old cliche on us. We have heard it too often. Don't confuse the "following" issue with the "founding" issue.

(1). FOLLOWING -- I do not disagree with you that at least in some degree the F&W's, just as many other Christians do, are following Jesus (according to their understanding of Him) whom they believe came from heaven and whose teachings they believe to be from heaven. This is not a matter of history, but a matter of what they would consider faith and spiritual revelation. Nor is this a claim that has been covered up. It has always been the claim of the group.

(2). FOUNDING -- Regardless of who they claim to follow, the group itself was founded in 1897 by William Irvine and the band of workers he recruited. This is a matter not of faith, but of history and is well attested to by primary documents of the time. This is the matter that has been covered up and is not openly disclosed in conventions and other meetings.